As far as I know this has nothing to do with women titles. It's because she is one of the top players of a very small country which gave her the right to represent it at the olympiad.
There are just a couple of youngsters who benefit from such regulations, typically from Africa.
Have you ever watched „Queen of Katwe“? Phiona Mutesi could be regarded „professional“ despite having 1600 plus WCM.
Paltry. Not the players, not the FIDE. The pathetic discussions however.
Have you ever watched „Queen of Katwe“? Phiona Mutesi could be regarded „professional“ despite having 1600 plus WCM.
Paltry. Not the players, not the FIDE. The pathetic discussions however.
@Sarg0n said in #22:
> There are just a couple of youngsters who benefit from such regulations, typically from Africa.
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> Have you ever watched „Queen of Katwe“? Phiona Mutesi could be regarded „professional“ despite having 1600 plus WCM.
>
> Paltry. Not the players, not the FIDE. The pathetic discussions however.
on the other hand, is it obligatory to be titled to be a professional chess player? you can not be titled but run a chess club by giving lessons and be under contract, paid and without a title. and you have players titled (W)CM, (W)NM and even (W)FM for whom chess is a total hobby (yes!) and others for whom chess is a secondary activity. there are also streamers under contract with streaming platforms. the line between titled and professional is an interesting subject, and I think that in circumstances like those mentioned, the title represents an honorific reward which sometimes opens the door to professionalism.
> There are just a couple of youngsters who benefit from such regulations, typically from Africa.
>
> Have you ever watched „Queen of Katwe“? Phiona Mutesi could be regarded „professional“ despite having 1600 plus WCM.
>
> Paltry. Not the players, not the FIDE. The pathetic discussions however.
on the other hand, is it obligatory to be titled to be a professional chess player? you can not be titled but run a chess club by giving lessons and be under contract, paid and without a title. and you have players titled (W)CM, (W)NM and even (W)FM for whom chess is a total hobby (yes!) and others for whom chess is a secondary activity. there are also streamers under contract with streaming platforms. the line between titled and professional is an interesting subject, and I think that in circumstances like those mentioned, the title represents an honorific reward which sometimes opens the door to professionalism.
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I think that you are right in saying that there are low rated titled players, but then for them, the title doesn't even mean that much, does it? Sure, you get some perks, such as Titled Tuesday but what will you get from that? Just losing to a bunch of people who almost double your rating.
Although I think that in this case it's fine to give away an honorary title as the player in question represents an extremely minor country. This can simply be proven by the fact that 80% of their women's team consisted of unrated players. By giving away this title, FIDE is showing support for players of minor countries.
I do not condone giving away titles (without preset requirements) to anyone but I think in this case FIDE can be excused. If the player was from USA or India, I would totally agree with how unfair this situation is.
If you look at the title requirements, representing your country is one of them. You could argue that playing from a minor country is sort of a loophole but nevertheless, the player in question did represent her country at the international level and so I think it is okay to give away in title in this scenario and similar scenarios.
Although I think that in this case it's fine to give away an honorary title as the player in question represents an extremely minor country. This can simply be proven by the fact that 80% of their women's team consisted of unrated players. By giving away this title, FIDE is showing support for players of minor countries.
I do not condone giving away titles (without preset requirements) to anyone but I think in this case FIDE can be excused. If the player was from USA or India, I would totally agree with how unfair this situation is.
If you look at the title requirements, representing your country is one of them. You could argue that playing from a minor country is sort of a loophole but nevertheless, the player in question did represent her country at the international level and so I think it is okay to give away in title in this scenario and similar scenarios.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfwPV8YKINQ&ab_channel=lularobs
@BlingGamer said in #7:
> Millions if studies have shown - Don't take this incorrectly, because some women have proven us wrong before and I'm no feminist or whatever it's called - That men are physically and mentally superior to women in many competitive disciplines, e.g. Swimming, Running, chess.
Women are not outperformed by men at chess, the apparent difference is purely down to participation. It's like saying redheads must be bad at chess because there are hardly any redhead GM's (sorry Simon Williams).
en.chessbase.com/post/what-gender-gap-in-chess
> Millions if studies have shown - Don't take this incorrectly, because some women have proven us wrong before and I'm no feminist or whatever it's called - That men are physically and mentally superior to women in many competitive disciplines, e.g. Swimming, Running, chess.
Women are not outperformed by men at chess, the apparent difference is purely down to participation. It's like saying redheads must be bad at chess because there are hardly any redhead GM's (sorry Simon Williams).
en.chessbase.com/post/what-gender-gap-in-chess
@Sarg0n said in #22:
> Have you ever watched „Queen of Katwe“? Phiona Mutesi could be regarded „professional“ despite having 1600 plus WCM.
Oh yeah! I forgot to unsubscribe from this topic when I got "called out" in #1 so maybe its my destiny to post here again :D
Phiona is truly amazing! I happened to meet her back in 2019 when a friend of us, who has contacts to Uganda, invited her and her coach Robert Kathende with his wife to our small city. She stayed over a week here, played a local open event; we got a chance to spend a fair amount of time together - talking and playing some blitz.
The highlight of her visit was that movie "Queen of Katwe" which was shown in our local cinema during her stay.
imgur.com/a/b8Bqmqu (Edit: lol I do not know how to get the picture into the forum, click in case ur interested -there is me and my husband with Phiona, Robert and his wife.
Yes, she is a professional. Moreover, she loves chess. She is a fascinating person. She got not only herself out of the slump she was living but also her whole family. She deserves respect and not laughs about her title and rating. Sadly I experienced it in real life how some people made fun of her title and gameplay during that open event.
>There are just a couple of youngsters who benefit from such regulations, typically from Africa.
Right. Winning certain national events earns certain title.
Those youngsters who got titled are the best in their country.
Imagine being born and raised there then getting "that good" without having access to the internet and all free training material. No longer gender-specific (sorry btw. I got this topic wrong) so I allowed myself to more or less, straightforwardly comment.
In that sense - now unsubscribed - happy chess playing and all best :)
> Have you ever watched „Queen of Katwe“? Phiona Mutesi could be regarded „professional“ despite having 1600 plus WCM.
Oh yeah! I forgot to unsubscribe from this topic when I got "called out" in #1 so maybe its my destiny to post here again :D
Phiona is truly amazing! I happened to meet her back in 2019 when a friend of us, who has contacts to Uganda, invited her and her coach Robert Kathende with his wife to our small city. She stayed over a week here, played a local open event; we got a chance to spend a fair amount of time together - talking and playing some blitz.
The highlight of her visit was that movie "Queen of Katwe" which was shown in our local cinema during her stay.
imgur.com/a/b8Bqmqu (Edit: lol I do not know how to get the picture into the forum, click in case ur interested -there is me and my husband with Phiona, Robert and his wife.
Yes, she is a professional. Moreover, she loves chess. She is a fascinating person. She got not only herself out of the slump she was living but also her whole family. She deserves respect and not laughs about her title and rating. Sadly I experienced it in real life how some people made fun of her title and gameplay during that open event.
>There are just a couple of youngsters who benefit from such regulations, typically from Africa.
Right. Winning certain national events earns certain title.
Those youngsters who got titled are the best in their country.
Imagine being born and raised there then getting "that good" without having access to the internet and all free training material. No longer gender-specific (sorry btw. I got this topic wrong) so I allowed myself to more or less, straightforwardly comment.
In that sense - now unsubscribed - happy chess playing and all best :)
#28 The example of Phiona further adds to the case that there should policy measures on how titles are given out as it's one thing to change rules mindlessly which benefitted said person in this special case and a whole different case of young players in Africa who might not be on the same footing in terms of resources but not in their fighting spirit, so considerations have to be made differently in each case - there are various factors that should influence the purpose and process related to these lower titles, which needs varied inputs within FIDE to notice the shoddy work they've been doing all these years.
This is not a unidirectional problem that can be solved, so all the points are only helping the case that there needs to be structure in the system so that people don't end up encashing the situation to their advantage, based on a technicality.
This is not a unidirectional problem that can be solved, so all the points are only helping the case that there needs to be structure in the system so that people don't end up encashing the situation to their advantage, based on a technicality.
@CSKA_Moscou said in #23:
> on the other hand, is it obligatory to be titled to be a professional chess player? you can not be titled but run a chess club by giving lessons and be under contract, paid and without a title.
Since when? To run a chess club you need to start one and find paying customers/member assuming you want make living out if it. Title may help on advertising but definitely not required
As for professional player: Only very few player can make living on playing and no one under say 2600 can do it - unless willing to settler for very low income - I think if you good enoug you would get invited to big money tournaments even without title. But hard to see why not get the title if requirements are met. Title needs to paid so that could be a reason. Most national federation take care of the fee so being strong enough and not having the title is almost impossible.
> on the other hand, is it obligatory to be titled to be a professional chess player? you can not be titled but run a chess club by giving lessons and be under contract, paid and without a title.
Since when? To run a chess club you need to start one and find paying customers/member assuming you want make living out if it. Title may help on advertising but definitely not required
As for professional player: Only very few player can make living on playing and no one under say 2600 can do it - unless willing to settler for very low income - I think if you good enoug you would get invited to big money tournaments even without title. But hard to see why not get the title if requirements are met. Title needs to paid so that could be a reason. Most national federation take care of the fee so being strong enough and not having the title is almost impossible.
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